Response to : "Who Created you?"

Ryan

ryan_american@yahoo.com 

 

In response to Aparthib in Mukto-mona Forum:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/message/3109

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Aparthib wrote >>>>- "Now come to the crux: "WHO created you?" is NOT the right question."<<<<<<

Dear friend, I am sorry, this was a little but important oversight on my part, what I meant to say originally was 'who or 'what' created you? I agree I did not ask the right question. So I put the question again but as 'who' or 'what' created you? Thanks for pointing that
out. :-)

 

Aparthib wrote >>>>"It dies not matter if individually A or B disagrees with my above assertion. Professional philosophers, scientists who are employed in all secular schools supported by tax payers and private sponsors (ranging form the mediocre to the top notch) have overwhelmingly reached a consensus on this. The right question is WHAT is the underlying natural cause if any behind the creation of life."<<<<<<

No my friend, in this FORUM that is NOT the right question. As I took into account that I might be addressing religiously inclined people, so I should use 'who' as well (still I should have used 'what' as well, so I apologise), I noticed that this forum has some people like Muhammed who is a Muslim, so I didn't want to EXCLUDE him from the conversation. After all this forum is for ALL people right?

 

Aparthib wrote >>>>"And the answer IS KNOWN."<<<<<<

Cool, so what is the 100% totally correct and flawless answer? Please tell me this ABSOLUTE TRUTH!

"IT IS THE LAWS OF PHYSICS. What is not known is what is the underlying natural cause, if any, behind the existence of THE LAWS OF PHYSICS."

SO, am I correct in asking you that it MAY NOT be the laws of Physics? Even though the 'PROBABILITY' may be 99.9%? COULD it be that 'SOMETHING' actually MAY have 'made' these laws of Physics? I am not an expert on anything, I am only asking you, as I am here to learn and exchange ideas.

Aparthib wrote >>>>"It is not inconceivable that the Laws of Physics are there uncreated, from eternity upto eternity. If we claim limitations of human understanding (Which is conveniently used by theists to affirm the eistence of a creator) there is no reason to dismiss the eternal uncreated existence of the laws of physics whichgives rise to all diverse patterns and order in the cosmos."<<<<<<

Cool, so please explain the PROVEN existence of BLACK HOLES! :-) If 'EVERYTHING' is governed by the laws of Physics (which may not be the 'be all and end all' as you yourself implied) then please explain why BLACK HOLES are NOT governed by the laws of Physics? It has been proven that 'NO PHYSICAL LAWS EXIST IN BLACK HOLES' Nothing can ESCAPE the PULL of a BLACK HOLE, not even the FASTEST 'THING' in EXISTENCE which is LIGHT! So obviously not 'EVERYTHING' is governed by Physical laws! :-)

 

Aparthib wrote >>>>"The nature of the laws of physics"<<<<<<<

You mean the 'potentially FLAWED' natural laws of Physics? :-)

Aparthib wrote >>>>"is such that it leads to the creation of life (via the route: Physics+ the laws of complexity->Chemistry->biology->Life Whether the laws of complexity are a themselves rooted in Physics or are autonomous laws themselves is not known, but nevertheless they are natural laws. Life is nothing but an implementation of a code (cosmic code), the origin of the code itself being hidden from human ken. As a side for those a bit more technically inclined the aspect of Physics that is most relevant to creation of Life is the Second law of thermodynamics (via the maimization of entropy) See http://www.fes.uwaterloo.ca/u/jjkay/pubs/Life_as/text.html,
IF anyone is sincerely interested in learning MORE (not 100%) about the mystery of life's creation."<<<<<<<<

Thats cool, I dont have much of a problem with evolution! :-)

 

Aparthib wrote >>>>"The question "WHO" created you does not make any sense"<<<<

Acutally it does in this FORUM as I was trying to address ALL people!
Atheists and theists! :-)

Aparthib wrote >>>>"because one the question already assumes an answer, that there IS a creator, and if there IS a creator then the answer to the question cannot be but a tautology: The creator created you. Surely the questioner did not ask the question to know the name of the creator. So it is a meaningless question. As I said the right question is WHAT (not WHO) is the CAUSE of the creation of life, IF there is any. And the answer is the one above I gave (And unanimously agreed upon by majority of leading Physicists and Biologists)."<<<<<

So these leading Physicists and Biologists are ABSOLUTELY right? And their word is 'law'? Can you not question anything yourself? Could they be wrong in 'some' ways? Surely you can think for yourself right? :-) You seem to think that 'Science' (I use the term loosely) is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH! Well I can tell you its not! Nor is MATH! But dont take my word for it, read this book and tell me what you think:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/046087411X/ref=bxgy_sr_text_a/103-0389065-5350236 

DOUBT EVERYTHING! EVEN SCIENCE! :-)

Regards,

Ryan 

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